@cienmilojos @khm Point is, copmuters are nonsense machines these days and I want no part of it.

I like SteamOS. It does a good job of hiding the nonsense and just being for games.

For actually working on projects, though?

I'll be honest, there's linux software I miss on 9 sometimes, which I found very useful when it worked.

The difference is, when something on 9 doesn't work, I can fix it in, usually, minutes. It took around two hours to fix the first file system crash I ran into.

If I ever run into a file system bug on Linux, I'd be reformatting the drive and abandoning all of the data.

Where Linux is a beautiful, sprawling, structurally unsound, mansion, with traps hidden at random, amazing towers with no stability waiting to fall at any moment, infested with termites, but with a truly gorgeous landscape, Plan 9 is a small, well-built house in the woods with all of the essentials for survival.

@cienmilojos @khm Heck, I do my accounting using plain text files and some simple shell scripts.

because it took less time to write and maintain those than it would have to figure out how to use the GUIs. That's not an exaggeration; I spent literal hours trying to figure a few of the Linux options out at one point and decided it was a waste of time.

maybe that means I'm too stupid to use those tools, but I honestly doubt that.

the mouse objections are common. it's because other interfaces don't make very good use of the mouse. rio does a better job there.

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@khm @cienmilojos Yeah, but tbh, needing two separate input devices for everything is still tedious.

I'd prefer keyboard-only anyways - but that preference is not strong enough for me to have done any patches for it yet :P

I solved that problem decades ago by using a trackpoint.

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@khm @cienmilojos Yeah, I'll note that it's actually _more_ of an issue on PC for me.

The Reform and thinkpad, not an issue.

pinebook pro is the worst of all, lol

@pixx @khm @cienmilojos this thread makes me want to set up 9front on an imx8mq reform as a hobby

@mntmn @pixx @khm @cienmilojos i recently did that on an old and t/rusty R60, even managed to connect it to the web through the ethernet and mount its FS to my other unix pc with 9mount to transfer screenshots of rio

but using it daily is still beyond me, mothra can't browse fedi and there's exactly one gemini client that i still couldn't build

mothra works with snac2, but julienxx wrote an api client you can try the next time you feel like messing with 9front!

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