Everyone wants this and it’s taking decades…

YES! LET’S GO!

Meanwhile, Ohio wants to keep DST as their standard which is infuriating.

I understand wanting more light in the northern hemisphere early in the day. It adds safety for school children mostly in the winter months, but I don’t understand why we can’t just change the start and end times of school to coordinate more light at those crucial times of day.

YES! Get rid of that dumb shit!
Not sure what programmers have to say about this though. Ideally DST would’ve been scrapped like 30 years ago back when there were a lot fewer people using computers, so a lot of code wouldn’t need updating as soon as such a change is implemented, but waiting will only worsen it.
I think keeping summertime is the better option. Having a bit of sunlight when you come home from school or work in winter would be priceless. Even if it means darker mornings.

Actually I quite like it. You get daylight in the morning in winter, and longer evenings in the summer.

Without DST you have to choose between: in winter you go to work in the dark and come home in the dark, meaning you don’t see any daylight apart from at weekends, which is especially depressing if you work in a place short on windows; OR you waste a bunch of daylight in the summer mornings and have shorter evenings when the weather is warmer and it’s nicer to be outside.

I am a programmer. Not sure why this would be a problem. Just fix the computers to GMT+X and for the most part it won’t matter. It’s not as if I have to rewrite DST code every few months.

Let’s hope they keep the summer time

Really don’t get the issue about keeping it? Its just a small adaptation, which should not bother anyone? A simple change every now and then keeps you flexible right, just go with the flow, and stop being bothered about such a small thing 😉

It causes a lot of unnecessary costs, it causes a lot of unnecessary stress (literally kills a bunch of people every year), …

Why keep it?

What are these costs? And how come shifting an hour kills people?? Stress?? Cant be just that??Having these discussions every year possibly causes more stress than just following the clock shifting? I don’t recall my parents ever having issues with dst or complain about dst more than the first morning when the clock shifted forward? Just trolling a bit, but for myself I really dont see the issue, except for the discussions every half year.

It’s basically subjecting the entire population to 1 hour jetlag twice a year. The problematic switch is to summer time (losing an hour), which causes many people to be tired for most of the week following the change.

Lots of tired people means more accidents on the road and at work. There is also a definite uptick in heart attacks.

Then there is the longer term impact of late evening light on people’s sleep. Whilst it is more social to have more light at night, it’s better for our sleep for darkness to come earlier and to have more light in the mornings. There are tons of studies on the health impacts of insufficient sleep and / or misaligned body circadian rhythms. Summer time is particularly problematic for night owls (which includes all teenagers), who already struggle to fall asleep at a reasonable time.

The economic costs arise from things like loss of productivity due to tiredness, accidents, and higher health costs.

Why? You do realize, the summer time is the offset from the real timezone? And also it does not change the amount of hours we have in a day. It is still 24h :D

Why not every country can decide what time they want to keep?

I believe this was the original EU plan.Scrap it, countries decide which timezone they want to stick with.

I’m well aware, but I prefer more light in the afternoon than in the early morning.

Having the middle of the day at 1 PM is nicer year-round

you do realize you can simply wake up earlier and it’ll have the same effect? :D

Edit: I see a couple of downvotes. Could some one give some arguments?

Your idea sounds like more heat when I try to sleep, and the alarm clock going off in the colder hours. I hate summer time so much.

The issue is more with embedded systems which have been hard coded to European DST.

Most sane software will use the OS timezone and not care about DST. Most sane embedded systems will have some config for DST. I bet there are lots of cranky unsupported things which are horribly broken though.

If the EU abolishes DST in its member states, there won’t be any patches or updates necessary to software out there. The timezone database will simply be updated to reflect the change of policy and bam, once your system has the new tzdata, restart your apps and they will automatically understand it. This is not like the Y2K bug that needed actual patches.

I like the switches, more sunlight is better!

You do realize, the sun isn’t hanging in there for an hour longer, just because we on earth made a change to some kind of time keeping device? We will still have 24h hours a day and the sun will still shine the amount of time it shines.

Edit: I see a couple of downvotes. Could some one give some arguments?

Thankyou, I thought I was crazy because no one else sees this most obvious solution. Why do we need DST at all? If you are a farmer or a school or whatever then just change your start time as necessary. Changing the time itself for everyone twice a year is a daft approach.

Sure, but then the question is: Winter time or summer time?

I’m not sure if the European people are equally united in this question.

I don’t know if many people share my opinion, but I literally don’t care one bit. Let’s all do UTC across the world, the US needs to be taken down a peg anyway.

I think we should stop calling it winter and summer time because it’s swaying people wrong. Because of course we hate short, dark and cold days and we love long, warm, bright evenings. We love the summer, therefore if we choose summer time it feels like it’ll be summer all year long.

But the reality is that (at least where I live) winter time is closer to the sun time and would be preferable in all aspects.

Surely UTC is just a newer name for GMT and 0 is Greenwich in England? Since I’m pretty sure the UK came up with the global time zone system in the first place.